Ecclesiastes 8 · a question people ask

8:5 says a wise heart "will know the time and procedure" (8:5), but 8:17 says even a wise man "won’t be able to find it" (8:17). Which is it?

In the text

The chapter says both, and says what each is about. 8:5 is about "the time and procedure" (8:5), and the next verse says, "For there is a time and procedure for every purpose" (8:6). But 8:7 goes on, "For he doesn’t know that which will be; for who can tell him how it will be?" (8:7). And 8:17 is about "the work that is done under the sun" (8:17): "Yes even though a wise man thinks he can comprehend it, he won’t be able to find it" (8:17). The chapter began by asking, "Who is like the wise man? And who knows the interpretation of a thing?" (8:1), and the Preacher himself set out "to know wisdom" (8:16). The chapter doesn't say how these sayings fit together, and these notes won't smooth them out.

The verses

“Who is like the wise man? And who knows the interpretation of a thing? A man’s wisdom makes his face shine, and the hardness of his face is changed.”
Ecclesiastes 8:1 · World English Bible
“Whoever keeps the commandment shall not come to harm, and his wise heart will know the time and procedure. For there is a time and procedure for every purpose, although the misery of man is heavy on him. For he doesn’t know that which will be; for who can tell him how it will be?”
Ecclesiastes 8:5-7 · World English Bible
“When I applied my heart to know wisdom, and to see the business that is done on the earth (even though eyes see no sleep day or night), then I saw all the work of God, that man can’t find out the work that is done under the sun, because however much a man labors to seek it out, yet he won’t find it. Yes even though a wise man thinks he can comprehend it, he won’t be able to find it.”
Ecclesiastes 8:16-17 · World English Bible

From Favor's study of Ecclesiastes 8

Ecclesiastes 8: Who is like the wise man?

The king's word is "supreme" (8:4), and no man has "power over the day of death" (8:8): in Hebrew both are shilton, a word found only in these two verses. And the Preacher says "surely I know" (8:12) two verses before "this also is vanity" (8:14), and the chapter keeps both.

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